Honda Performance FAQ Last Updated June 30, 1997
0.0 Table of contents
1.0 Purpose/Background/Administrative/Tuning Primer
1.1 What's the purpose of this FAQ?
1.2 Who runs this FAQ? Who gets blamed?
1.3 What other Honda resources are on the Web?
1.4 Who can contribute to the FAQ?
1.5 I wanna jump on the Honda hop-up band wagon.
What do I do? (Tuning Primer)
1.6 I want more "low end", how will modifications affect this?
1.7 How will modifications hurt the life of the engine?
1.8 What are some good books/magazines/links to check out?
1.9 I have a question about working on my car, does this FAQ answer it?
1.10 Do aftermarket parts void my warranty?
1.11 What will my emissions be like after modifications?
1.12 How will OBD-II (on board diagnostics) respond to modifications?
1.13 Where can I go to find information on people's cars?
2.0 BreakDown --> Models and Generations & Analysis
Accord
Civics
CRX
delSol
Integra
Legend
NSX
Prelude
TL, RL, CL
Vigor
3.0 Engines
3.0 Engine Basics
3.1 What engine oil should I use? How often should I change it?
3.2 What's the difference between SOHC versus DOHC?
3.3 What's VTEC?
3.4 How often should I adjust my valves?
3.5 What is a porting & polished head job?
3.6 What benefit do I get from changing camshafts?
3.7 What are cam sprockets? What do they do? REVISED
3.8 What models and engines are out there?
3.9 Can the [xxx] engine be swapped into the [xxx] chassis?
3.10 What do I need to know before rebuilding my engine?
3.11 Do reprogrammed computer chips work?
3.12 Who makes the best VTEC cam?
3.13 What's a milled head?
3.14 Should I buy a VTEC controller? Can I make my own?
3.15 Can I just swap a VTEC cylinder head onto my non-VTEC motor?
3.16 What does a lightened crankshaft pulley do for me and who makes them?
3.17 What does an underdrive pulley do?
3.18 What's a blueprinted engine?
3.19 What's shotpeening?
4.0 Intake System
4.1 Why do I need a cold air intake?
4.2 What's ram air?
4.3 What air filter is the best? Will more dirt be let in?
4.4 What intake system is the best?
4.5 What's a bored out throttle body?
4.6 What's the coolant bypass modification?
4.7 Why does my car idle bad after a t-body swap?
4.8 Why do I need to port match my intake manifold?
4.9 What is extrude hone?
4.10 What's a resonator? Why should I remove it?
4.11 Why should I adjust my throttle cable?
4.12 Is there hope for a 1.5 SOHC with the lousy intake?
4.13 What is the Tornado and how does it work?
5.0 Exhaust Systems
5.1 How loud do exhausts get?
5.2 Which manufactured cat back system is the best?
5.3 I wanna save money and get a custom exhaust. What do I need to get?
5.4 What are headers?
5.5 Who makes the best headers?
5.6 How much power will I get by removing my catalytic converter?
5.7 What are the legal consequences of removing my catalytic converter?
5.8 Should I get a ceramic coated or stainless steel header?
5.9 Should I buy a high-flow catalytic converter?
6.0 NOS
6.1 Assorted Nitrous Oxide Information
6.2 How much NOS can my stock engine take?
6.3 What kind of gains should I expect with NOS?
6.4 How much does a refill of NOS Cost (15 pounds)?
6.5 What causes NOS backfire? Why should I use a purge valve?
7.0 Supercharging
7.1 What is it like ordering a supercharger from Jackson Racing?
8.0 Turbocharging
8.1 What's in a DRAG turbo kit system?
8.2 Does VTEC work well with turbocharging?
8.3 How much horsepower will a Greddy Bolt-On Turbo Civic make?
8.4 How is boost regulated?
8.5 What's the difference between a manual and an electronic boost controller?
8.6 What's the best boost controller?
8.7 What's a blow off valve? Do I need it adjustable?
9.0 Ignition
9.1 Will changing my plug wires give me more hp?
9.2 What kind of plugs should I use?
9.3 What does a colder/hotter plug mean?
9.4 Why do I need to upgrade my ignition system?
9.5 How does advancing timing improve power?
9.6 How do I advance my timing?
9.7 What does indexing plugs do and how do I do it?
9.8 When should I widen my spark plug gap?
9.9 Why should I examine my spark plugs?
9.10 What good is an ignition unit rev limiter?
9.11 Do Nology wires deliver horsepower improvements?
9.12 [VTEC] Should I run stock platinum plugs or switch to copper?
10.0 Transmission
10.1 Why does my transmission crunch during shifts? How do I fix it?
10.2 What's clutch chatter?
10.3 What's a good performance clutch to get?
10.4 Why should I lighten my flywheel?
10.5 What's a limited slip differential (LSD) REVISED ?
10.6 Should I use a Type R LSD or Quaiffe?
10.7 If I have a LSD, do I need to care for it differently?
10.8 What kind of aftermarket flywheels are out there?
10.9 Is my speedometer accurate when I am gunning for a top speed run?
11.0 Brakes
11.1 What's brake fade?
11.2 What performance brake pads do I buy?
11.3 Why should I use cross drilled/slotted rotors?
11.4 What kind of brake fluid should I use?
What's wet and dry boiling temperature?
11.5 Do aftermarket brake lines improve stopping distances?
11.6 Who makes brake lines? And is DOT approval necessary?
12.0 Wheels
12.0 Wheel basics (offset, diameter, width)
12.1 I wanna get a set of wheels, how do I make sure they're gonna fit?
12.2 How do I buy the best set of wheels for handling and acceleration?
12.3 What's a hubcentric wheel? Why do I need hubcentric adapters?
13.0 Tires
13.1 Will I really sacrifice my ride comfort with low profile tires?
13.2 What's a good tire pressure to set?
13.3 How do I pick a good tire?
13.4 Why do my tires wear out fast on my lowered Honda?
14.0 Suspension
14a.0 Springs
14a.1 How low can I go?
14a.2 What's the difference between a progressive versus linear rate spring?
14a.3 Do I need new struts if I get lowering springs?
14a.4 I want to cheap out and cut my springs. Why shouldn't I?
14a.5 Do I need to realign my car once lowering springs are installed?
14b.0 Struts/Shocks
14b.1 What's compression and rebound? Why adjust both?
14b.2 Should I get adjustable or non-adjustable struts/shocks?
14b.3 Should I cut my bumpstops if I lower my car?
14b.4 Why do my Tokico Illuminas bottom out so much on my 3rd Gen Integra?
14c.0 Swaybars
14c.1 How do sway bars work?
14c.2 Should I disconnect my front sway bar?
14c.3 Should I only get a rear sway bar?
14d.0 Chassis Braces/Roll cages
14e.0 Misc suspension components
14e.1 I've heard of camber kits to correct my lowered Honda's negative
camber problem. How do they work and who makes them?
14e.2 Why should I upgrade my bushings to poly-urethane ones?
14e.3 What kind of alignment settings should I get?
15.0 Drag Racing Results
15.1 So what 1/4 mile times can I expect for [xxx] mods?
15.2 What's my 1/4 mile time? What's trap speed and what's E.T?
This document tries to answer many frequently asked questions Honda performance enthusiasts ask. All Honda-Performance List subscribers MUST read the ENTIRE FAQ first (unless you're special enough to know a lot about cars already :D ). This FAQ makes no attempt to be the complete OR accurate source of automotive information. It's the opinion of the FAQ editor that the reader is responsible for their own automotive enlightenment. There are many quality books that explain automotive performance. A trip to the library might be in order. It should be noted that front wheel drive cars are not the optimum configuration for total performance. In drag racing and cornering, different tricks and driving skills are needed to make a FWD car go fast. Make sure you REALLY want to make a FWD car fast.
Currently, Jeffrey Ho See presides as Editor of the FAQ. Other FAQ assistants are Justin Bedard and Anton Chu. Some other honorable mentions are the unnamed editors of the Integra web page. You can blame/flame us all you want, but we take no legal responsibility for the information contained within. Your car is your car, and how you hurt it is all on you. If you find some FAQ information to be controversial, please respond politely. Polite opposing viewpoints will be noted in the FAQ. Rude ones will be deleted on sight. In addition, please do not bombard the FAQ editor with questions. The editor merely maintains the FAQ and doesn't have the time or resources to answer everyone's personal questions. The tone of the FAQ maybe construed as anti-performance Honda. This is far from the truth. It's been proven that Hondas can be made to go fast, but novice Honda performance-minded individuals should be given as much resistance to ensure that hopping up their Honda is really what she/he wants to do. Let's face it, money doesn't grow on trees for all of us. If it did, you'd probably already have a really fast fast fast Honda (or maybe something else). It's gonna take some money, time, and lots of patience. And please take what speed shops say with a grain of salt, in some cases a big one.
Keeping tabs on all the current web pages would be just as hard as keeping tabs on all the import speed shops cropping up and dying off. Currently the Honda Performance jump gate is the Temple Of VTEC maintained by Jeff Palmer. The current URL is : http://www.vtec.net/
Anyone can! If you have pertinent information please forward it to the FAQ Editor. You will be credited with the information accordingly (so watch out for the flames!)
(Tuning Primer)
Join the crowd! The SINGLE biggest modification you can do to your car is to yourself. Make sure you understand how to shift, launch, and corner. There are many books and Internet resources discussing driving technique. You can have the fastest car in the world and still only drive it as good as another person in a Pinto. Remember when choosing your performance parts, be sure to upgrade components the furthest away from the motor and then closer. So get rid of the extremity bottle necks before working on bottlenecks in the motor itself. In other words, perform your modifications into the motor. Not haphazardly. (i.e. 1) intake 2) exhaust 3) headers 4) throttle body 5) intake manifold 6) camshafts 7) sprockets 8) cylinder head etc etc ) Here's a short and sweet tuning primer. Golden Rule 1) Ask yourself, "How much money do I have?" Golden Rule 2) Now ask yourself, "How fast do I want to go?" #2 is only limited by #1. So now pick your tuning path based on these decisions. Do you want to stay normally aspirated? Turbocharged? Supercharged? Or even nitrous oxide assisted? Normally Aspirated : The engine alone is responsible for ingesting as much air as possible. And remember air is never 100% oxygen. Turbocharged : A snail shell looking device that is driven off exhaust gases (imagine 2 pinwheels attached on a axle) As the exhaust wheel spins, the intake wheel compresses air packing it into the engine. Choosing the correct turbocharger is essential for optimum performance. Supercharged : A belt driven compressor that forces air into the engine. A supercharger functions similarly to a turbocharger. The difference is the supercharger spins by a belt attached to the crankshaft pulley (much like your A/C, power steering, and alternator) Nitrous Oxide : punchie@primenet.com (Lowbuck Brawler aka Weyland Jung) Nitrous oxide is made up of 2 parts nitrogen and one part oxygen (36% oxygen by weight). During the combustion process in an engine, at about 572 degrees F., nitrous breaks down and releases oxygen. This extra oxygen creates additional power by allowing more fuel to be burned. Nitrogen acts to buffer, or dampen the increased cylinder pressures helping to control the combustion process. Nitrous also has a tremendous "intercooling" effect by reducing intake charge temperatures by 60 to 75 degrees F. Each has it's pros and cons. It's a good idea to understand them all before proceeding with modifications. mailto:fmlin@ccnet3.ccnet.com offers the following : Okay, basically there are three ways to improve an engine's performance. - Mechanical efficiency - Volumetric efficiency - Thermo efficiency ME improvements - lighten/blance rotating engine assembly, increase maxium operating RPM, reduce driventrain less (lighter rims, tranny box improvement.) VE improvements - intake, header, exhaust, manifolds, head work, forced induction, cam profile/timing... TE improvements - compression ratio, ignition, air/fuel ratio, thermo barrier coatings. So also keep these areas in mind when modifying your vehicle for maximum performance!
Golden Rule 3) "There is no replacement for displacement." Here's a cold hard reality check, Honda small displacement 4 cylinder engines tend to be high revving horsepower geared engines. They do not produce a healthy amount of torque WITHOUT some serious modifications. And even then, most of this power will not come beneath 3,000 RPM. Thankfully Hondas are fortunate enough to have reasonably light chassis and a good gearing. Thus with the moderate amount of torque and higher amount of horsepower they get by just fine. ;D But if you truly seek that 1,000 RPM 300ft-lbs of torque, perhaps you should buy a V8 engine car.
Asking your engine to make more power places greater wear and tear on it. It's a fact of life. Regular maintenance and keeping an eye on performance modifications are essential to engine life. If your modifications are bolt on ones, you really don't have to worry.
Helm Factory Service Manual (get it from your local Honda/Acura dealer, see your owner's manual) Helm's # : 800-782-4356 Secrets of Solo Racing Handling, what it is and how to get it. Honda/Acura Driver/Owner Guide Turbochargers by Hugh MacInnes From: mailto:spchurch@idt.net "I did find a cool new book called "High Performance Honda Builder's Handbook" by Joe Pettit. I thumbed through and decided to buy it (<$20). Seems pretty cool and does have a section on turbocharging, specifically with help from Turbonetics and RPS. I'll figure this stuff out yet. This book seems like a must read for new Honda people, might save us a lot of time (published late 1996). It also has all the engine codes, valve sizes, compression ratios, combustion cc's, etc. so if the FAQ needs anything, let me know." From: http://www.imoto.com/ "Honda builder's handbook by joe pettit $14.75 available through Summit racing 1.800.230.3030" Magnecor adds in : We have listed a new Honda tech. book [the above mentioned] on our web site that may interest you (we have no financial interest in the book, but we are helping the writer out). It is a useful book. It is at: http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/HONDA1.htm Super Street Magazine Turbo & Hi-Tech Performance Magazine Grassroots Motorsports Magazine Sport Compact Car Magazine sorry, you will have to search for it here Your favorite nudey magazine (recommended for periods of depression when you have the need for speed, but not enough speed) Thanks to Perry (pywong@ucsd.edu) for the good URL (Physics of Racing) : http://members.home.net/rck/phor/"
No. This is a Honda Performance FAQ currently. Although many enthusiasts perform the modifications themselves, the FAQ would grow exponentially if we included detailed how-to steps for every possible performance modification. My best advice is purchase your Helm mechanic manual for your car. It has very detailed explanations on how to work on the car. Then if you're still confused, consult the list.
Only if they've been proven to be the cause of the problem. The burden of proof does rest on the dealership. IMNSHO, Honda/Acura does a poor job of customer satisfaction as other owners and myself are usually given the run around for problems clearly resulting from manufacturing defects. YMMV, so you may want to restore the modifications back to stock in order for the warranty process to be smoother.
Usually all the bolts on will actually lean out your motor while at speed.
Your only big problem is passing the idle portion of your local smog test.
Every state/country has its own regulations so check with your local
sources. If your modifications have sacrificed air flow down low
you can expect your idle emissions to be rich.
California checks for three categories : HC(PPM) CO(%) CO2(%)
The latter two are (I think!) unimportant as they are checks to ensure
that you truly are burning gas and the percentages are all correct
(you're not venting some exhaust elsewhere).
A 1993 Acura Integra LS has a .100ppm HC limit to pass in California.
With the catalytic converter in place with full bolt on modifications
it had a reading of .001 ppm. Without the cat, HC soared to .224.
Quite illegal.
mailto:foxer@gate.net had these results :
HC(PPM) CO(%) CO2(%)
Limit 220 1.20
Reading 93 0.05 15.1
Results PASS PASS
1993 Honda Civic Si Hatchback
Iceman Wetland Intake
GReddy Exhaust
DC Sports Header
Advanced Timing
From: patrick(acuracar@ix.netcom.com) "As long as the air/fuel ratio is acceptable to OBD-II then there are no problems. So as long as you give the car the additional fuel it needs w/ the nitrous then there will be absolutely no problems." From: mailto:EdDSP@ix.netcom.com "A friend installed a test pipe in his 96 GS-R today, and so far no "check engine" light turning on. The test pipe has bungs welded in for the O2 sensors, and was driven for at least 2 hours." "Since your car is a pre-OBD II vehicle, the check engine light shouldn't turn on when installing a test pipe. In OBD II (96-on) Hondas/Acuras, the second O2 sensor is supposed to check catalytic converter efficiency by comparing its readings with the first O2 sensor (which is what you have). Now that there is no cat, does the ECU see this as an extremely efficient cat, or as a bad reading? From this "experiment", I guess the OBD II system is compatible with a test pipe." From: mailto:sisman@accessv.com "I had my test pipe for 94 gsr, the engine light will not go on unless you disconnect the oxygen sensor. If you install the O2 sensor properly, the engine will work normally."
There are numerous car specific pages that have owner registries setup. However EuJin has created an entire Honda Performance List registry at http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/9391/hpregistry.html. Be sure to swing by and check out Who's Who.
Accord 1986-1989 3rd Gen 1990-1993 4th Gen 1994-1997 5th Gen 1998-2001 6th Gen (coming soon!) Performance Analysis : Why? Now before the flames start coming in, the rantings of the DC Sports SiR followers, and the Neuspeed Touring Car follower, let me just say the Accord is supposed to be a comfortable sedan. And no street sedan is ever gonna come close to a race prepped Touring Car. If you're still stubborn to hop up your Accord, remember GR#1 and GR#2. Then ask yourself why you just didn't start with a Prelude VTEC in the first place. Civics 1984-1987 3rd Gen base engine 1342 cc, 4 cylinder, 8 valve, 2 barrel carb DX, Si, sedan, and wagon : 1488 cc, 4 cylinder, 12 valve, 2 barrel carb Si, 4WD wagon PGM FI 1988-1991 4th Gen DX, Si, LX, Wagon, 4WD 1493 cc, 4 cylinder, 12 valve, 16 valve on hatchbacks, Dual Point FI, Multi Point FI on Si and 4WD wagon 1992-1995 5th Gen DX, LX, EX, Si, hatch/coupe/4door 1.5L, 1.6 SOHC VTEC 1996-1999 6th Gen DX, LX, EX, no Si 1.5L, 1.6 SOHC VTEC Performance Analysis : Civics are the Mustangs/Camaros of Honda. With a healthy power to weight ratio, a hopped up Civic can give sports cars a serious run for the money. Try to stay away from the wagons and the DXs okay? If you stick with the Si or EX you'll be much happier. DX's tend to have a wimpy intake/fuel injection and a wimpy motor. So no big nitrous oxide shots or boost. Going hybrid with the light chassis is choice though (VX, DX, CX). CRX 1984-1987 1988-1991 Performance Analysis : The Poor Man's Sports Car. Based on the Civic chassis, this car was made to handle and go fast. Again stick with the Si version or you'll have to spend more money going around non-Si nuances. DX's tend to have a wimpy intake/fuel injection and a wimpy motor. So no big nitrous oxide shots or boost will make it much faster. Going hybrid with the light chassis is choice though (HF models). delSol 1994-1997 Performance Analysis : The CRX born again. Honda did not engineer this car to truly be a performance successor to the CRX. Anything with VTEC means speed! So stick with the Si and VTEC models. From: mailto:daveds50@sprintmail.com Subject: Re: HP: auto-xing Del Sols "Douglas Coulthard wrote: > Ok wow, what is with the del Sol bashing, I have a del Sol and love my car > vey much and am looking into getting into Autocross, but you guys all seem > to be into drag racing. as i've mentioned before, we have attempted to build a 95 del sol VTEC into a nationally competitive CSP autocross car. We had about $15,000 worth of full blown race parts into it. No, not street parts like you read about here. Well, it was competitive locally, and even regionally, just like the guy you talk to in Calif. But the truth is, is my CSP 85 CRX Si just ate it up. And so will the other nationally competitive 1st gen CSP CRX Si's. It's the weight of the del sol that kills it. After all, it's hard to beat a 1700-1800 lb car with around 140-150+ HP. You would need at least 220+ HP which can't be done within the SCCA Street Prepared rules with the Del Sol VTEC engine. (believe me, we tried, and so have many others) Not to mention handling : a 1700-1800 lb CRX can pull over 1.1 lateral G's steady state on race tires. Mine will do 1.18 right, 1.17 left, and our del sol did 1.04 and 1.05 on my wheels and tires. But im not saying it's a bad car, I like them very much, but not for a race car." [Ed : well maybe not for a Solo2 race car. ;D] Integra 1987-1989 1990-1993 1994-1997 1998-2001 Coming soon? Performance Analysis : The Civic's bigger brother. A little heavier, but the bigger engine. Witness lil brothers seen stealing the engines away out of their older brother's chassis. GS-R is the Integra bad boy. And the Type-R is the race car on the street. An Integra is a good choice for hopping up. The lower model (RS) might be choice, since it's the lightest. Legend Performance Analysis : See Accord analysis. NSX 1991-1997 Performance Analysis : The premier sports car from Honda. The newer engine makes the car more competitive in a straight line against other Sports Cars. Prelude 1989-1992 1992-1996 1997- Performance Analysis : Bigger engine (TORQUE!) and a good suspension make this car one of the 3 sporty/sports car from Honda. Again stick with Si or VTEC and you won't go wrong. It's a bit heavier, but as seen in IMSA they make a good road racer. Not as popular as Integras, may have something to do with bang for buck. TL, RL, CL Performance Analysis : See Accord analysis. Vigor Performance Analysis : See Accord analysis.
Engine Basics I've tried my best to explain the workings of the engine. For a different point of view, try checking out : http://www.autoshop-online.com/auto101.html An engine is a air pump. It takes in oxygen, adds fuel, compresses it, burns it, and then expels the exhaust out. The controlled combustion energy is converted to a (kinetic) mechanical one. The combustion drives the crankshaft to turn which connected to a transmission causes the drive wheels to spin. Valves are devices to control opening and closing of orifices within the cylinder head (combustion chamber) These valves are actuated by camshafts via rocker arms. Some valves let air+fuel in, others expel exhaust. Camshafts are axles with different kinds of lobes/bumps on them. The shape/size of these lobes determine how and when the valves open and close. The terms lift, duration, and overlap are used to describe a camshaft. Lift refers to how high the camshaft opens a valve. Duration refers to how long a camshaft keeps the valve open for. And overlap refers to how long an intake and exhaust valve are both open at the same time. On one end of the camshaft a gear called a camshaft sprocket is attached. This keeps the camshaft in mechanical synchronization with the crankshaft. Usually a belt or chain is used to run the sprockets and the crankshaft gear. Remember your timing belt maintenance? The cylinder head houses the combustion chamber of the engine as well as the valvetrain, camshafts, and sparkplugs. The cylinder head mounts on top of the engine block. The engine block houses the crankshaft, rods, and pistons. The pistons single axis upward and downward motion is converted to a rotational one via the connecting rods to the crankshaft. Pistons can be changed to control the size of the combustion chamber (this volume is referred to as displacement). Connecting rods attach the pistons to the crankshaft. The crankshaft is the big axle you want to spin to make your car go. On one end, the flywheel is attached. Remember, in making an engine produce more power there are a lot of factors involved (gas mileage, low end power, high end power, engine life, etc etc)
As often as you can afford it and as often as is practical for your lifestyle. If you need a solid mileage number, every 3k miles depending on driver abuse/environmental conditions is a good start. A good synthetic oil is also recommended. Mobil1, Redline, and Castrol Syntec are current favorites.
S ingle O ver H ead C amshaft D ual O ver H ead C amshaft SOHC has one cam above the cylinders controlling both sets of intake and exhaust valves. While DOHC has one camshaft for intake valves and one for exhaust valves. As you can imagine it's harder mechanically to use one camshafts to control all valves precisely. By having two camshafts, one for intake and one for exhaust valves, you can fine tune valve control (more power)
Daryl Krzewinski (mailto:daryl.krzewinksi@ab.com) : VTEC is Honda's trademarked acronym for Variable valve Timing and Electronic lift Control. Put simply, it's a method of directly altering the cam profile that valves "see", so that the optimum grind can be utilized at either high or low rpm. Ideally we'd like to control each valve independently with great precision. Unfortunately this isn't practical/feasible yet. Thus the need for DOHC (see 3.2) However even that is limited, imagine if we dynamically alter the camshaft lobes for optimal configuration for the valves opening and closing for a given range of RPMs? Essentially VTEC allows many different camshaft profiles. Ideally you can have a low RPM cam, then kick in the big RPM cam. You've got the best of both worlds. This is VTEC. It's electronic in the sense that the whole setup is RPM activated by the engine computer. For more VTEC explanation, see http://integra.vtec.net/vtec.html
This is much like the oil question. Again as often as you can afford it and as often as is practical for your lifestyle. Every 15k miles is a good start. Probably before every race too.
The engine production process is not perfect. Imperfections in the casting of parts leads to rough surfaces. A "port" usually involves remove/changing the size/shape of an opening. A "polish" smoothens the surface. The overall combination flows more than stock. Thus yielding better power. Changing the shape improves the path of intake air/fuel, and polishing smooths the path, reducing turbulence.
Honda engineers a compromise on their camshafts (with respect to gas mileage, power, and idle quality) Remember your engine basics? This is where valve lift, duration, and overlap are played around with to produce more power out of an engine. By going with a performance grind, you usually get more power up top. You sacrifice some power down low as well as idle quality and gas mileage. Also remember VTEC? This is where VTEC solves the camshaft problem elegantly.
With an adjustable cam sprocket, you can adjust the camshaft timing away from the mechanically set stock setting. Doing this you can fine tune the engine's behavior to produce more power. You will again likely sacrifice gas mileage as well as idle quality. A competent tuner and a dyno are essential to reap the max benefits from this modification. Apparently, people are having problems with installation of these parts. Some people have broken the set bolts which results in tuning adjustments thrown off. Consult the manufacturer for proper installation and torque setting when installing these. From: Ed (EdDSP@ix.netcom.com) ">Frank/G.Speed wrote: > As for broken studs, there has been two cases I know for Z.Speed gears. > But in both cases it's simply overtightened. Umm, make that two more cases. Both were on 1.8l VTEC engines, and both weren't overtightened. To make sure this won't happen again, these two friends of mine are getting some grade-8 bolts to replace 'em. Other than the weak bolts, I have no other complaints about the Z-Speeds."
Too many for me to remember. Please send me the engine specs if you have
them.
Civic
From: Drew (not Boyles) Yamamoto, jktom@sfsu.edu
"From the 94' Civic catalogue straight from Honda HQ in Aoyama Japan"
Honda Civic HB
EG 3 EL D13B carburated 85HP@6300 SOHC 1.3l
EG 4 MX D15B dual carb 100HP@6300 SOHC 1.5l
EG 4 ETi D15B PGM-FI 94HP@5500 SOHC 1.5l
EG 4 VTi D15B PGM-FI 130HP@6800 SOHC 1.5l
EG 6 SiR B16A PGM-FI 170HP@7300 DOHC 1.6l
Honda Civic Ferio (sedan)
EG7 EL D13B carburated 85HP@6300 SOHC 1.3l
EG8 ML D15B carburated 91HP@6000 SOHC 1.5l
EG8 MX D15B dual carb 100HP@6300 SOHC 1.5l
EG8 ETi D15B PGM-FI 94HP@5500 SOHC 1.5l
EG8 VTi D15B PGM-FI 130HP@6800 SOHC 1.5l
EJ3 EXi ZC PGM-FI 130HP@6600 SOHC 1.6l
EG9 SiR B16A PGM-FI 170HP@7300 DOHC 1.6l
Honda Civic Ferio 4WD
EH1 RTX ZC PGM-FI 105@6300 SOHC 1.6l
EH1 RTSi ZC PHM-FI 130@6800 DOHC 1.6l
Integra
142hp@6300, 127 ft/lbs@5200 B18B1, 1.8 L DOHC from G3 Integra.
170hp@7600, 128 ft/lbs@6200 B18C1, 1.8 L DOHC VTEC from G3 Integra.
From: knw@VNET.IBM.COM
Subject: HP : SiR Confusion, EF 9 & EK 9 engines, and vtec vs non-vtec
"SiR Confusion
Matt Blodgett spoke of his SiR confusion. Basically, he was asking about
the ZC series of motors from Honda and about its relevance to the SiR.
Perhaps I can offer some information. It seems that the ZC name is for
a series of 1.6l engine (1590cc to be exact) that Honda puts on the
Civic/CRX/Integra range. This can be SOHC or DOHC. For each different
engine, its serial number will also be preceeded by a D16... something
that indicates its exact configuration.
[Ed: this coincides with Drew's information above.]
Thus, Civic/CRX 1.6-16 in UK uses a ZC engine which is 1590cc DOHC. I
forgot the D16... name. My previous car which is a Civic model
specifically for certain parts of South-East Asia also uses a ZC engine.
It's 1590cc SOHC Dual-Carb and the serial number is preceeded by D16Z1.
I believe if you are to check the 1.6lSOHC VTECs of US Civics, you will
also find its serial number preceeded by the D16... name. In fact if you
are to check a japanese catalog for the Civic/CRX, all of the 1.6l motors
will be called 'ZC' except for the DOHC VTEC.
The 1.6l (1595cc actually) DOHC VTEC is called the B16A. There are two
generations. The first generation appeared in Japan-only version of the
2nd gen Integra called the XSi in 1989. They appeared in the Civic/CRX
in end '89/1990 in the model called the SiR. This first generation
produces 160hp at 7600rpm in Japan. To add to the confusion, this
engine when used in the UK version of the CRX (called the 1.6-16VT model)
produces 'only' 150hp at a lower rpm (forgot exact number).
From late '91/92 onwards, B16As got revised and now Japan versions
produces 170hp at 7800rpm. These again appeared in the Japan-only Integra
XSi's and then in '92+ Civic/CRX DelSol SiRs when they appeared. IF you
are looking at used motors imported from Japan, look at the valve covers
to determine the generation of the B16A you are getting. The 1st gen
has DOHC wordings larger than VTEC. The current gen has VTEC wordings
larger than DOHC. Now, to REALLY add to the confusion, all B16As used
outside of Japan (in the UK Civic and DelSol and the US DelSol VTECs)
has 160hp at 7600rpm but has the new valve cover (ie VTEC wordings larger
than DOHC) so its important to _make sure_ exactly where the engine you
are getting comes from. (In Malaysia, they cut the car in half and
imports the half complete with engine into the country. Then we can
clearly see all the japanese wording in the engine bay !. In anycase,
the timing belt information on the valve cover will be in japanese).
BTW, just a slight digress. The B16A seems totally different from the
ZC. B16A = 1595cc, ZC = 1590cc. Their bore AND stroke are different. But
B18C have the same bore as B16A so it _could_ be true that they are
stroked B16As."
From: mailto:soh@smartt.com Subject: HP: Weight difference of complete B18B1 and D16Z6
For those of you interested, I weighed both engines (complete with
tranny). The B18B1 is 40 lbs heavier. From info I have from TC Kline,
the B18C1 (vtec) is 20 lbs heavier on top of that, mostly up high
because of the vtec system. I've also got a complete run down of each
individual component that can be taken off the engine (alternator, dist,
starter, engine mounts, PS bracket, pressure plate, tranny alone,
clutch, all sorts of crap). Someone remind me to post that some time
this week. The tranny without pressure plate and clutch weighed 81 lbs.
Oh, the B18B1 weighed about 350 lbs total and the D16Z6 310 lbs (error
is about +/- 5 lbs max).
"So you wanna go hybrid?" I can't begin to completely answer this question. Currently, Integra powered Civics are the rage. There's talk of Prelude DOHC VTEC motors getting dropped into Civics too. For your Civic engine swapping information, check out http://www.westworld.com/~joe_r Thanks Joe.
When rebuilding a motor, you need to think of your tuning path. Nitrous oxide? Turbo/Supercharged? NA? Choose your compression wisely or you'll need to buy stock in Octane Booster companies. Recall your engine basics and chemistry (PV = nRT). The more air and fuel you pack into a given volume, the higher the pressure and temperature will be. This all leads to premature combustion and causes engine detonation which can/will lead to destruction of the engine internals. See http://integra.vtec.net/motorbuild.html for more precise information. Thanks Justin.
This is a very touchy subject. Some people say they do, others don't. Here are some general comments : Every engine runs a little bit differently than others. How can one company claim to have a chip that can boost power up by XX horsepower. Make sure your chip company has a good dyno, and dyno proven results. Does your chip company custom tune to your car's setup. And just how do they do so without your car at their shop? Say your setup changes, what will your chip company do for you then? A money back guarantee is a nice thing. Raising your rev limiter does you no good unless you're making power up there. Better keep an eye on the valvetrain. From: mailto:kwoods@kens.com "Lately there have been some posts from people wanting to increase the redlines, or shift points on their cars. Why? A higher redline doesn't mean your car is faster, unless your valvestrain can support it. If you have the stock valvetrain, you WILL have valve float. (The valves can't keep up with the cams or the pistons. A Bad Thing(tm)) The valves will smack into the pistons, and you'll end up with a pile of junk metal, not an engine." Get a straight answer on how easy it is to return the ECU to stock parameters.
Currently, Honda is the best VTEC cam maker. Putting the Japanese Type R camshafts in has resulted in +7hp according to http://www.webcom.com/dynamic on their DynoJet. JG Engine Dynamics as well as DPR are both prototyping VTEC camshafts with reported good success. GUDE has always offered VTEC camshafts, but there have been mixed reports to thier performance results. From: FuSiONSi@aol.com I have talked about this before, but I was down in LA about a month or so ago and they had a black 95 GSR there with the new JG cams, cam sprockets, throttle body, header, intake and exhaust....It produced 190 hp at the wheel!!!! JG claims 12-14hp at the wheels and I believe it!!! I talked to Jaiver and he said NE one happy with these cams after purchase can return them for a full refund...and you can't beat that! From: BLuRNoS@aol.com "Well the GS-R that JG had sitting there when I went had their new VTEC cams and he said he didn't notice ne difference in realiability at all...the only thing he notice was the power increase...also the car idles like stock..."
This is a process of shaving off a little of the bottom (mounting side to the engine block) of the cylinder head. By doing so, you reduce the size of the combustion chamber (you have effectively raised your compression ratio, good for power) Be careful about milling your head. I've been told the ~correct~ way to change your compression ratio is to use ~domed~ pistons. A much more expensive route than milling the head (see why people mill now?) By milling your head, you may throw off your camshaft timing (see adjustable cam sprocket), your ignition timing will be off too (the distributor reads input off the intake camshaft), and you may introduce more timing belt slack. People claim milling the cylinder head ever so imperceptably will not throw off these three areas too much (why bother then right?). I've always regarded Honda 4 cylinder engines as the epitome of conventional engine engineering. With astronomically high RPM power range, milling your head just seems to me like pulling out the pin on a grenade. Now before every milled head groupie writes in saying a milled head is the bomb etc etc., it's your valvetrain and your money. You've been warned.
By modifying your car, you may not be engaging VTEC at the optimal point. Only by extensive dyno time can you determine the optimum point. No one tuner has definitively proven that a VTEC controller yields a good power improvement. Simply purchasing a controller will not make your car faster. You need to dyno tune this device. From: mailto:ramanan@seas.ucla.edu "I am not sure who said it... I read it on one of the posts listed among other stuff that's "hyped-up but actually doesn't work..." If you know how to use it correctly, VTEC controllers do help out. Now, my experience with these relates to the SPOON VTEC Controller in specific. I don't know if any of you guys have tried this out... but when the VTEC kicks in... the timing is advanced (ignition timing that is..) When your car is on the dyno... especially if you have cams, there is a very huge spike when the VTEC kicks in. On my car when the controller is set at 6000 rpm, there is a 45 (wheel horsepower) power spike on the dyno sheet. On the road... this kicks the tires loose in 1st gear. This kind of power is useless, therefore set the VTEC to kick in lower... now you don't want this at idle obviously because the low-rpm power production of the VTEC portion of the camshafts don't produce too much power. In drag racing, a VTEC controller is not really necesary since most of us launch above 6000 rpms anyway. But on street tires... it helps out. I launch at 1700 rpm on the street. If I wait until 5000 rpm+ for the VTEC I get my ass kicked out of the hole. If I the VTEC kicks in at 3000 let's say... the tires don't start spinning after 6000 rpm. Also, to get a smooth horsepower curve, having the VTEC kick in at around 4800 rpm gives a relatively smooth transition. Hardly any power spike. Having it too low bogs the car in the lower rpm range and having it at 6000 is like brrrrrr...BAAAAAHHHHH (I just like that sound.. ) When I had my 1.6 SOHC VTEC in the coupe I had the SPOON VTEC Controller and I actually raced someone about 4 times having it set at different rpms. Launching the same, but varying the transition rpm, is about 1-2 car lengths (plus and minus) in the 1/4 mile. Now, racing someone is not as accurate as E.T, but it's allright. If it can make a difference on the SOHC, think what it does on the DOHC's!! P.S. The SPOON VTEC Controller works on the 1992 GSR, 1992-up Civic, 1994-up GSR, 1994-up Accords and Preludes." Several HP-list members have made their own VTEC controller. Although very basic and crude, it can be made very cheaply in comparison to Japanese units. It involves triggering the VTEC wire (off the engine ECU via +12V) based on RPM. MSD sells a RPM actuator device or a tap into a shift lite would do the same. Or you can jimmyrig one up if you're electronically inclined.
Nope. The best thing to do is to swap in the whole motor w/ ECU. VTEC motors have a different ECU setup as well as special engine block (crankshaft, oil passages, oil cooler, etc) to ensure high rpm longevity. The head and valevtrain just don't cut it alone.
The idea here is much the same as the lightened flywheel. Reduce the amount of mass your engine is using energy to move. I've held a B18A OEM pulley, it's not extremely heavy. It is heavy enough to discourage you from dropping on your foot. So it looks like some power could be freed up by swapping the pulley out. Some companies making light crankshaft pulleys are Unorthodox Racing, Z.Speed (thought I saw it on the web page, can't find it now), and possibly DC Sports.
By changing the diameter of pulleys running off your engine you can increase or decrease the amount of revolutions the pulleys get (think about gear ratios for a moment, and general gearing thoughts) Anyhow, using an underdrive pulley you can make less revolutions, sapping less power. This is good to use on say power steering or A/C. I do think that underdriving your accessories probably sacrifices how well they perform. You'll probably get less steering assist and cooling. I don't think it's wise to mess with your alternator.
From: mailto:alantang@mail.bogo.co.uk www.bogo.co.uk./alantang/civic/html/civic1.htm "Blue printing is the most expensive way to gain power from your engine. It involves stripping the engine and re-building it as close a possible to the engineers 'blue prints' for the engine. Blue printing is only used in motorsport where there are strict rules on the mods that can be done to an engine. Blue printing does not really modify the engine, only makes it closer in specification to the original blue print and thus more power. However, due to this, the engine will also be more balanced and stronger... Power gains can be from zero to 40bhp... depending on engine. With a Honda I guess you would gain around 15bhp... Due to the high labour and skill involved, blueprinting is very expensive. I reckon anything from US$1000 upwards... (this is a rough guess!) Pause for thought.... A top Ford Motorsport UK engineer said you could get the same results as blueprinting by driving your car to red line from new (no run in period) for 2,000 miles."
From:mailto:winco@earthlink.net "SHOT PEENING is a method of cold working in which compressive stresses are induced in the exposed surface layers of metallic objects by the impingement of a stream of shot, directed at the metal surface at high velocity and under controlled conditions. It differs from blast cleaning in primary purpose and in the extent to which it is controlled to yield accurate and reproducible results. Although shot peening cleans the surface being peened, this function is incidental; the major purpose of shot peening is to increase fatigue strength. The process has other useful applications, such as relieving tensile stresses that contribute to stress-corrosion cracking, forming and straightening of metal parts, and testing the adhesion of silver plate on steel." From: ASM Metals Handbook, eighth edition, volume 2, "Mechanical Finishing, Shot Peening", page 398, first paragraph.
For every 11 degrees (F) drop in temperature, expect a 1 horsepower gain. Expect performance to be worse if you're sucking in hot underhood temperatures. Colder air makes the motor run cooler as well as being more dense (remember Chemistry? PV = nRT?) From : mailto:Jerome%20Soh%20(soh@smartt.com) "I believe the correct numbers are as follows: For every 10 F drop in temperature, expect a 1% (PERCENT, not horsepower) increase in power. For every 10 C drop in temp, expect a 3% gain." Editor : Does anyone absolutely sure which is it? 10 or 11 degrees?
A "ram air" setup is an intake method where the force of the car travelling through the air is used to literally ram air into the intake (a hood scoop is usually a good indication) From: mailto:soh@smartt.com "A "ram air" setup is an intake setup where the input end of the intake system is placed facing towards the front of the car such that it can take in air that is at a higher pressure than that in the engine bay when the car is at speed. At 60 mph, a ram air setup can provide up to 1 psi of boost, and at 100 mph, 2 psi of boost. Thus, a properly setup ram air acts like a small turbo system at high speeds (and is "free"). Keep in mind that extending the intake hose to make the ram air setup introduces pressure losses (albeit minor) as the air now has to flow through more pipe. Thus, keep the extension as short as possible."
There are many concerns about aftermarket performance filters working, and which yields the biggest horsepower. Some people swear by foam intakes (while dissenters say yes they yield more power, but let a lot of dirt in) Others are simply satisified by K&N or S&B filters. An oiled cotton filter. The idea being the porous cotton allows the air in, the oil traps the dirt. The K&N uses electrostatic charge to attract and capture dirt and dust. The oil is positively) charged, and therefore attracts dust and dirt, which carries a (negative) charge. Bottom line, a performance filter is better than the restrictive air box found on stock cars. IMHO, if tuner cars (Saleen, etc) come from the dealerships with exposed K&N filters, that means something about it's performance and filtering effect.
Much like 4.3, a very heated issue. Apparently Honda motors respond very well
to cold air velocity stacked setups.
The current favorite is the Iceman Intake System. Check out
http://integra.vtec.net/iceman.html for a review.
Other intakes to check out are AEM's Cold Air intake as well as the Racing
Sports Akimoto Funnel Ram2 (filter made by K&N now, not S&B)
From: mailto:avootk1@icarus.cc.uic.edu "The Iceman is made out of some plastic polymer and has a joint (connected
by rubber) near where the OEM airbox goes. It has a gradual increasing
diameter away from the TB so there is no need for a velocity stack. The
pipe continues from the OEM location and goes down into the passenger side
fender well, near where the stock resonator was located. A tight turn and
the filter is angled almost parallel to the ground. Dont know what size
filter but it is constructed by K&N. You can get flashy colors, and
convert the kit to a non cold air setup by connecting the filter where the
rubber joint is instead of at the extreme end of the pipe.
The AEM is made of coated aluminum to resist heat and is a 2.5-3" pipe I
believe. There are no joints on this system. It simply curves down to the
fender well, near where the stock resonator was located. A "turbo air
horn" velocity stack connects the filter to the pipe.
Both systems should give similar dyno results. I would expect no more than
6-8 hp from either. Some people swear by ICEMAN, but I prefer AEM's design
myself. Both cost around $210...but can probably be had for cheaper.
ICEMAN is nice because of its versatility (dry land setup or wet land
setup). The AEM system is a full time dry land setup."
You may also want to DIY and make your own effective intake kit with dryer
hose for your cold air.
Check out :
http://integra.vtec.net/diyintake.html and
http://integra.vtec.net/intake.html
Be careful with cold air systems as they may allow the engine to suck in water
(in wetter areas) Excessive water in the engine will damage the engine
seriously.
The throttle body is the device which regulates air into the engine via the gas pedal. By enlarging it's size you can allow more air to flow through (hence more power) Be careful removing too much material. Currently JG Engine Dynamics, RC Engineering, Bullfrog GUDE, and AEM perform the boring. Expect a gas mileage decrease too. A bigger throttle body helps aggressive cams idle better. In fact some cams require a bored throttle body. Throttle bodies allow more air flow across the board, so you should see an increase in power across the RPM board of about 3-5hp. Throttle bodies should lean out air/fuel ratio so you shouldn't have a smog problem.
Radiator fluid is passed through the throttle body to keep it from freezing shut. This also heats the air going into the motor. By removing the lines from the throttle body and connecting them together, you avoid the air heating up. So expect more power. Don't do this if it snows in your town. From Ali J. (muaythai@sure.net) : Another easy modification to cool things off is locating the coolant pipes that lead to the throttle body, and using a "Straight T" attach them. This will bypass the throttle body and keep it cool. After all these modifications, I used an air temperature meter to compare this system and my AEM cold air system. The AEM system runs 72-152 degrees, while my system runs a cool 58-110 degrees. WARNING! You may not want to do this trick since it may cause your car's warming up idle to fluctuate! Somehow you need to warm up the fast idle thermo valve (which mounts on the underside of the TB and the hoses connect to). Once someone figures out how to keep this happy, it should be a streetable modification.
From: mailto:Matt%20(mattl@hsn.net) "Thanks to everyone that tried to help me out with my JG Throttle Body problems... I have solved it! When I installed the throttle body, I disconnected the battery as to reset the ECU. For some reason it didn't reset I guess. I went out and purchased a Chiltons manual and tried what it said to disconnect the "BACKUP" fuse "HAZARD, BACKUP) <-for Canadian, in the underhood relay box. I then restarted the car, and it idled great! I adjusted the idle screw back UP! The opposite of what I thought. I don't know why the first ECU reset didn't do it, but the second time around solved it.
The throttle body mounts to the intake manifold. Honda also places a gasket to seal these two parts together. By enlarging the throttle body opening, the intake manifold and the gasket no longer match the throttle body's opening. Imagine trying to flow air through a 5 inch opening then suddenly run into a 4 inch section. This situation may hamper air velocity more than the added value of allowing more air through the throttle body itself. Be sure to get your intake manifold match ported.
This is a process of pushing an abrasive mud-like compound through engine parts where air, fuel, or exhaust flow through. The parts become very smoothed out and to some extent enlargened. Speedline's DRAG turbo-equipped Integra showed a ~5++hp gain across the RPM board after an extrude honed intake manifold was added on. Probably doesn't make much of a difference on cars that aren't supercharged or turbocharged.
The resonator is a plastic box that is mounted below and joining to the stock air intake box. It's purpose is to silence the air entering your engine. By removing the resonator box you open up the engine to more cooler air. For all manufactured cold air intakes, you must remove the resonator. A good trick to do is to remove the resonator and put some dryer hose in it's place to further channel cooler air into the engine. See 4.4 for more info.
As your new car breaks in, so does the throttle cable. It may develop slack over time that actually may prohibit you throttle body from ever seeing WOT. This is bad for power. If you have a friend press all the way down on the gas pedal, you can then verify the throttle cable is indeed opening the throttle body all the way.
No. If you need reasons talk to JG Engine Dynamics. If you need a solution, swap in the Si intake manifold and computer. For that much trouble just go hybrid. Talk to Hybrid Joe for more info on both topics.
For their propaganda, visit their web site. From: anderson@falls.igs.net "To those who don't know, The "Tornado" is some aluminum or tin circular doo dad wth angled fins that is placed in the air intake tube. It's supposed to make the passing air swirl to better mix with the fuel for more power and efficiency. They cost something ridiculous like $70+, and here is my experience. First of all, it was given to me, I wouldn't pay that for something claiming 10%+ or something in power (too good to be true). I put it in my '90 integra, just behind the K&N filter. All it did was made a really neat sound. Next time I checked on it, it had slid all the way to the throttle body and was sideways, so I got some tin and extended it, plus added a fin (yep, you can make your own). I put it back in, I think in front of the TB, and went on a long trip. I matched my previously best milage, 600Kms by the time the gas light comes on.??? Coincidence??? I had even wasted some gas on that trip racing a VR6. Since then, there were no noticable gains, so I took it out and put it in my brothers civic and he didn't notice a thing. I think it's still there, probably sitting sideways."
"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." Or should it be : "Loudness is in the ear of the listener"? Some get really loud, some drone during cruising, some aren't really loud at all. It's very subjective and it's hard to judge without sound measuring equipment. Best thing to do is to listen to systems and note the pipe diameter and the muffler used. If you can hear the car coming from 10 blocks away, I'd say that's pretty loud.
Much like the intake system, a very heated issue again. Current popular systems are Trust, Tanabe, RS*R, DC sports, and IMP.
Good for you! First you need to find a reputable custom muffler shop. 2.25" inch pipe is desirable for NA setups. For turbocharged think 3" piping. Mandrel bent (smooth bends) are ideal to ensure minimal back pressure. The muffler shop should be able to recommend a straight through muffler (Borla -- considered the best, Ultra Flo) correctly sized for your engine to minimize noise. And tips are your option. Remember stainless is better for life (salt on roads?) but much money. And to quiet down exhaust noise, a resonator is highly recommended. Make sure you get a properly sized resonator so as to not hurt your power.
These are the pipes leading from cylinder head down to underneath the car to the rest of the exhaust system. By replacing these restrictive pipes you can decrease backpressure and get more power.
Currently, DC Sports is felt to make the best horsepower header. Some say Lightspeed makes a better broad range header. 4-1 (4 pipes into 1) headers are the best design for high revving horsepower engines, but they give up so much bottom end power it's not practical on the street. Thankfully most/all manufactured systems are 4-2-1 designs.
Expect an increase, but it won't be earth shattering unless you're running some mean engine mods or a forced induction setup.
If you get caught in California, it's a pretty hefty fine. $2k? Don't play, if you can't pay.
Maybe both! ;D Stainless steel costs a lot of money. A good coating would cost another $100-$300. So you can see why manufacturers don't coat their stainless headers (and some people regard the purplish color of heated stainless headers as pretty) Anyhow, I would recommend ceramic coated headers to keep the heat inside the headers as much as possible. I've noticed the engine bay/hood areas pick up a lot of ambient heat from uncoated headers. Choose wisely! Remember, if you don't have a cold air intake : you could be picking up heated air from your aftermarket non coated headers!
A high flow cat will outflow a stock cat. However, I doubt any cat can truly outflow a straight pipe in its place. ;D So do high flow cats really clean up the exhaust but let more flow through? An Integra with no cat @ idle shows about .220 ppm. Failure in California is .100 ppm. Average passing is .003ppm. The same Integra with a Random Technologies Cat put out about .120 ppm. So you're still emission wise illegal in California. BTW, the Integra ran perfectly clean anything above 2k RPMs. If you've got money to burn and only want to pollute the environment half as much for a little more power, then by all means buy a high flo cat.
For more nitrous oxide info read http://www.primenet.com/~punchie/NOSfaq.htm Also check out http://onetinc.com/~stank/cars/nos.html.
From: mailto:FuSiONSi@aol.com Subject: NOS jet sizes Now correct me if I am wrong but I thought that a dry system only fogged nitrous into the intake. Maybe I am wrong, well NE way here is the jet size for a wet system, maybe it might help you NOS FUEL 43 28 80hp 41 26 70hp 39 24 60hp 37 22 50hp From: mailto:lindsey@flash.net Subject: Re: HP: NOS jet sizes jetting for a dry manifold NOS kit: 40hp 34 nitrous/44 fuel 50hp 37 nitrous/42 fuel 60hp 38 nitrous/42 fuel 70hp 41 nitrous/36 fuel 80hp* 44 nitrous/34 fuel+ 90hp* 46 nitrous/34 fuel+ (*)Larger fuel pump reccomended/(+)requires a .040" shim be placed in the co2 regulator.(this is the large apparatus between the two solenoids the top will unscrew from it) you also may have to experiment with leaning out the fuel jet for maximum performance. Also make sure the line between the Stock fpr is hose clamped or that you are using the NOS fuel pressure safety switch otherwise you might break something you don't want to fix. later. From : mailto:amachine@pauls.net Be careful with the dry system, the jet numbers go backwards from the wet/direct systems. (Ie. the higher the fuel number jet the LESS it flows). See turbo mag, May 96 issue for all the jettings to start with on all systems. I'm putting in a single fogger 60hp shot in my prelude today, I'll let you know what jettings we end up using. From : Elson Cho > Now correct me if I am wrong but I thought that a dry system only fogged > nitrous into the intake..maybe I am wrong...well NE way here Yea, that's right. Dry system injects nitrous into the intake. But there is a fuel "T" that connects to the solenoid and taps into the fuel line at the fuel pressure regulator. So when nitrous is injected, you need more fuel to compensate for this, thus the fuel jets. More nitrous, then more fuel. Basically, unlike the wet systems, its a single fogger with one outlet for the nitrous and the second part of this fogger is located at the "T" connector. From : mailto:kwoods@kens.com No. It's 13 parts air and one part fuel. The best A/F ratio for power is about 12.7:1, 14:1 is "normal" and 15:1 will get you the best gas mileage. If you can spray, and still run 12.7:1 in the upper RPM ranges, then your car will make ALOT of power. If you jet it for 60HP, and then run 15:1, you will make less power than if you jetted for 50HP and ran 13:1. Make sense??? That's why I say to install the 34N, then watch the A:F.
1996-on Civic DX motor mailto:choman@u.washington.edu "Not much. A 50hp system such as the 5122 dry manifold NOS kit would be safe on a stock block." B18 series motors : The upper limit on NOS capability seems to be around 80-120hp shot (direct port of course) You will need to add the appropriate fuel of course!
mailto:choman@u.washington.edu "I've dropped about 1 full sec in the 1/4 with a 50hp dry system. It really depends on the type of car." Weyland Jung has performed in the mid to high 13 second range using a direct port setup on his (90-91) Integra GS. Off the giggle gas it's reported to run solid 15s.
mailto:choman@u.washington.edu "In Seattle, Nitrous oxide goes for about $3.50/lb. 15 lbs is the weight of the bottle empty. There is 10 lbs of nitrous oxide in the bottle. So a full bottle weighs 25lbs, 10 lbs being the gas itself."
From : NETTORUN@aol.com "I had a backfire out of my filter once []. I was told by NOS that there was probably an air bubble in the lines. You can sometimes trap air when you are removing and installing the bottle. If you add a PURGE VALVE to your kit this will eliminate the chance of another inicident. I [] squeezed all night. I later had my mechanic check the car and he said it was o.k."
Although it's not really a performance question, I'd thought I'd put a customer experience in just to see the hassle you get when using one of these things. Let alone the installation and use. ;D From: mailto:ysong@slip.net "Okay.. I've gone up to bat for Jackson Racing and their supercharger.. I stuck up for them and advocated their blower even though I don't have one... I even put in an order around end-Feb early-March... but dang it, after over a month of calling and waiting, I keep getting answers like "it will be ready in a week" or "call back in seven days"... That's all I've been getting for the last month from them! and oh no... today, I called them and after they told me the supercharger wouldn't be ready yet, I did the unthinkable.. I criticized them for being slow in delivering the product I ordered... "So.. why is this taking so long? I'm getting really impatient here.." and what do they do? They act like total assholes on the phone! "You know, I'd be more than happy to cancel the order if that's what you want.." great service guys. As a matter of fact, yes, if that is the kind of common courtesy you give to paying customers, then yes, I will cancel that order. Shoot. Maybe Ken Woods was right after all..." From: mailto:doctoryes@earthlink.net "I read your mail message this morning and contacted Larry at ENDYN who called Oscar Jackson at Jackson Racing. He stated that he had been in the orient and had just returned and that the reason for the delay is as follows: The supercharger has an accessory drive system for the alternator which must be relocated to install the kit. Previously the idler pulleys on this assembly and the bolts associated with it were SAE. They ran out of units and decided to redesign the unit using metric nuts and bolts - a good idea. And while they were at it they decided to modify the design so that you could install a variety of different sized pulleys on the supercharger to alter the boost levels - another good idea. There were some production problems (CNC milling machine broke down) as well, but Oscar assured us that kits would be available next week. Oscar also looked up your order and said that you had cancelled it yesterday. During this conversation it was implied that you would be worth your time to call back and discuss your order after May 1st. Good luck on whatever your decision is, Ozzie" [Ed : Boy don't you love it when the company sells the product to the public and uses the 1st wave of buyers for R&D?? To be fair, a lot of tuners are guilty of this]
Greddy offers a pretty good basic picture of how a turbocharged engine works :
http://www.greddy.com/turbo.html
Remember, Honda engines are normally aspirated engines. They tend to run
a more aggressive compression ratio than an OEM turbocharged engine.
So you're limited to how much boost you can spool.
Justin offers some engine and boost advice :
"It is not recommended to run over 7 psi of boost on stock pistons. Stock
Integra rods can take up to 10 psi of boost on a daily driver GSR and the
occasional 12-14 psi. Any more boost on a day to day basis or the occasion
14 psi at the track, you better get better rods.
The safest turbo applications generally follow these rules:
5 psi : intercooler
7 psi : pistons
10 psi : DFI or something to look after your fuel and timing
12 psi : rods
DFI is a little extreme, but then again, how often
do we want to take apart our motor."
mailto:touchwood@mindspring.com : "Just called DRAG, and this is the information they gave me over the phone for a '92-'93 VTEC GSR: Exhaust manifold [Ed : Last I saw, was welded, stainless optional] Garrett T4/T3 hybrid turbo Remote wastegate [Ed : Last I saw, was HKS] Exhaust downpipe Air-to air intercooler Chrome intake pipes HKS sequential blowoff valve High-pressure / high-volume fuel pump Boost dependent fuel pressure regulator Boost gauge Braided steel oil lines Water lines for turbo MAP sensor bypass All silicone hoses and clamps Works w/ABS and A/C 10 psi, 300 flywheel hp $3995"
From: Frank/G.speed (fmlin@ccnet3.ccnet.com) "Normally aspirated cams, especially high RPM oriented such as DOHC VTEC's have longer duration and overlap. when you use force induction, you don't need all this duration and overlap... a properly engineering VTEC cam for turbo applications would offer KILLER torque curve and power." Overlap is used as a way of exiting exhaust gases to actually suck in the intake charge. This is partly what VTEC does, kind of a wanna be turbocharger. So imagine if you have a lot of overlap on a turbo. Under boost, the compressed air would blow right through the cylinder. You wouldn't get all that quality compressed air to stay in the cylinder! This is why B18A/B motors respond so well to turbocharging with cam sprockets and JG Engine Dynamics #1001 camshafts. The camshafts are used to maintain peak cylinder pressure and sprockets dial it all in. The turbocharger can cram all of it's boost into the cylinder. So far no one has good turbo VTEC cams. It is questionable whether or not sprockets can dial enough overlap out to use 100% of the turbocharger's output. VTEC motors do respond well to turbocharging, but there's still a lot of room for improvement.
From: mailto:punchie@primenet.com Some 95 or so Civic had the Greddy kit on the dyno over at Dynamic Autosports. Made like 145 +- 3HP.
A turbo's boost is typically regulated by a wastegate. A wastegate reroutes some exhaust flow around the turbo, thereby not allowing the turbo to spin any faster. Some wastegates can be adjusted, others cannot. Whatever the case, the wastegate's signal to open comes from the compressor side of the turbo itself. This air pressure signal is linear and gets stronger as boost increases. Performance wise, this kind of regulation is bad because the wastegate always stays open under boost. Only electronic boost controllers are able to keep the wastegate shut as long as possible (thereby reaching max boost faster).
A manual boost controller either bleeds off or restricts the air pressure signal going to the wastegate. In effect, the wastegate is fooled into staying shut longer (thus allowing more exhaust to spin the turbo, thus making more boost). MBCs aren't very precise but they're really cheap and do work. They are prone to boost spiking because they aren't very complicated devies. Normally as boost builds, the wastegate creeps open. However w/ a MBC in the middle, when the pressure signal does indeed become strong enough to open the wastegate, the MBC doesn't allow the wastegate to open completely. Call it wastegate delay if you will. A resulting boost spike happens (as the turbo happily spins unregulated). It doesn't last long (by human standards), but hey funny things can happen when you don't have enough fuel for the boost. From: mailto:jhso@ucdavis.edu "Like I said, manual boost controller tend not to be accurate since they do not account for weather, temperature, barometer pressure etc. etc.. You really do get what you pay for and for the DSM guys who keep telling me that the 10-11 sec DSM cars are using manual boost controllers, good for you... but you do not have experience with turbo hondas... all I gotta say is that the damn deltagates and the TVVC's or the VBC's don't work that well. well good luck..." Electronic controllers differ in that they usually have a small microprocessor using an expensive air pressure solenoid. With such sophisticated technology, they can regulate the wastegate more precisely. The wastegate stays shut long enough, and the EBC can effectively open/close the wastegate. EBCs can also precisely maintain a boost level (so your motor never does exceed that fine line of running great and a blown up motor) They also handle environmental changes quite well.
The HKS EVC III/IV is considered to be the best damn unit. However, A'PEXi's AVC-R makes a strong bid to upset the EVC's title. There are many reports of problems with Greddy's Profec. Interestingly enough, they've released a Profec B w/o fuzzy logic.
A blow off valve mechanically performs similarly to a wastegate (a pressure signal causes it to open. Whereas a wastegate reroutes exhaust around the turbo, a BOV reroutes compressed air into the atmosphere or back into the intake side of the turbo). A BOV vents compressed air during upshifts (when the throttle plate slams shut) If the BOV wasn't there, the compressed air has no where to go but back into the turbo (bad bad bad). People usually associate turbocharged cars with BOVs (cool sound!) A BOV compares two pressure readings (one after the throttle plate, and one before) If the pressure pre-throttle plate is greater than the post throttle plate pressure, than the BOV opens and vents the pre-throttle plate air. So a BOV performs three things 1) Prolongs turbo life 2) Increases turbo response (when vented to atmosphere, sometimes venting back into the intake hurts response), and 3) Sounds cool. You need it adjustable because at part throttle under boost, the pre-throttle pressure may be greater. So you need some degree of flexibility so as to not have the BOV open under part throttle while on boost.
Remember the spark plug gap allows only a certain amount of energy to jump. More energy won't jump across unless you also widen the spark plug gap. The gap distance determines the voltage requirements for a spark. There's a reason why OEM plug wires are very resistive, you don't need a huge amount of current to fire the plug, you need a great deal of voltage (V = IR, typical plug wires are in k Ohms, voltage is really high, current is really low) The voltage (V) is constant in your ignition system due to the physical properties of your ignition coil. Keep this in mind when you read the following sections.
Recall that Current = Voltage / Resistance (I=V/R), as resistance
goes down, current goes up. For you math inclined types :
The limit of I as R->0 = infinity.
The least resistive plug wires will transmit more of the available
current to the plug electrode (ensuring that a consistent good spark
will happen).
If the plug wires are prohibiting full power transfer of your ignition
system in turn causing a weak spark for the combustion process, then
changing them out will yield more power. Otherwise plug wires alone
cannot give you more hp.
Nology manufactures wires with capacitors inline. Theoretically they lower
the discharge time thereby increasing electrical power. Do recall
the above information before purchasing Nology wires.
From: mailto:sin@value.net "I own a 95 GST which I use as a daily driver, and which has signifigant
performance modifications. I currently use magnecor 8.5mm wires.
Regardless of the mods, and this includes the spark plug wires, I can
still get 30mpg under "average" or highway driving. Wires will ONLY
increase performance or mpg when you are replacing old beat-up wires which
were hurting your car's performance/mpg in the first place."
Stick with the OEM NGK plugs. If you're running forced induction or nitrous oxide you may want to consider switching to a different plug. You may elect to run a colder plug (see owner's manual for part numbers) if you're modified since your car will be running a bit hotter. Since the motor is running hotter, your plugs will be running hotter. A hot plug may cause the air/fuel mixture to auto-ignite (detonation) Anyone wanna submit their favorites for these respective setups?
These terms refer to the operating temperature of the plug. The ceramic portion of the plug is longer allowing less heat transfer from the plug to the cylinder head (increasing the plug's operating temperature) In other words : a longer ceramic makes a longer path, a longer path means more resistance to heat flow, more resistance to heat flow means less heat loss, less heat loss means higher temperatures. In this case it's a hotter plug. A colder plug works the opposite way. For heavily modified cars, you always want to run a colder plug in order to avoid detonation from extreme operating temperature (see glow plugs in diesel engines. Explanation : Glow plugs in diesel engines are not actually spark plugs. They are merely heat coils that auto-ignite the air/fuel mixture. No spark. So when running heavy duty modified engines, check your exhaust gas temperature and then select your plug heat range accordingly.
The more air you pack into a cylinder the more difficult it is for a spark to jump across the plug gap. An ignition upgrade is a must for forced induction setups as well as big nitrous oxide shots. This is to ensure that your (OEM) coil is quickly and electrically capable of consistent high voltage outputs with a good chunk of current.
From my understanding, engine ECU's advance the timing to the max spec allowed at higher RPM's. So expect advanced timing to only help at lower to mid range RPMs. Advanced timing tends to make throttle response crisper and bumps up the power a bit down low. However if you advance the timing too much, you may get detonation at lower rpm's. What happens is the air/fuel ignites, but the engine speed is way too low. These two opposing forces meet and your engine starts making lovely knocking sounds. So be careful when advancing your timing, and listen at lower RPMs for detonation.
For detailed instructions check out http://integra.vtec.net/timing.html
This is one of those every little bit helps modifications. Don't expect a huge increase, but it does help a little. I believe Ken Woods mentioned it was probably good for a .5% increase in hp. It originates from those hardcore drag racing machines which translates into a bigger chunk of horsepower for their motors. Ideally the plug should be facing the the intake valves. What that means is the open side of the plug (opposite of the electrode prong) faces the intake valves. This promotes a much better air+fuel burn. Sometimes when tightening your plugs, they will be positioned correctly. For those times they do not line up, you will need to purchase spark plug indexing washers. These work by varying the thickness of the washer, allowing more or less threading rotation; thus aligning the plug towards the intake valves. You can buy the washers at Summit or your local muscle car shop usually.
If you have upgraded your ignition system, you may want to consider widening your gap by just a little bit (not too much!). Consult your ignition's manufacturer for gap recommendations. With the added punch of an upgraded ignition system and plug wires, you now have more electrical power to jump the gap. But remember, this extra power can only be put to use with a wider gap. Don't get gap happy though, because there's a point of diminishing returns. It's probably not worth gapping larger unless you have an upgraded coil.
By examining your spark plugs, you can determine how your engine is
runing air/fuel ratio wise. You don't want to run too rich or too lean
and your spark plugs are a good indication of what's happening.
mailto:kwoods@kens.com says :
"A light tan is good, and what you are aiming for.
Black means too much fuel
White means not enough fuel."
My Diamond Star Motors friend says the best way to check your air/fuel
ratio under W (ide) O (pen) T (hrottle) (pedal to the floor)
is to put in a fresh set of plugs. Make a WOT pass and immediately shut
down the car, and brake to a stop with engine off. Then check your plugs.
Although this maneuver may be highly illegal on a public road, it guarantees
a good plug reading.
Not much. Your Honda engine ECU already has a built in rev limit you
cannot exceed. If you do desire to kick in your rev limit earlier,
than an aftermarket ignition unit with a rev limiter can do so
for you. Usually, the ignition unit will offer a drop sparks
in a more gentler manner for the the motor.
This is another heated issue. Some people claim they saw horsepower gains,
others claim they do not. Some say the wires cause interference with on board
electronics. Others claim they need upgraded engine grounding wires to reap
their benefits.
From Nology's website :
"Anyone that had physics in college knows the formula for power. In this case we're
referring to ignition spark power. Power equals work divided by time, (P=W/t). Thus,
to get more power, you have to do the same amount of work in less time. Manufacturers
of conventional ignition systems though, want you to believe that it is possible to
increase the power of ignition systems by lengthening the spark duration. This is not true!
Lengthening the spark duration actually reduces spark power, as we already know, (P=W/t)."
Nology offers a very convincing argument why their product should make engines
produce more power.
Although I have a few problems with their electrical/engine argument, I definitively
don't know enough to dis/prove their claims.
I would like to point out that :
1) Nology has a very low resistance plug wire (too low for street use?)
2) Must use special expensive Beru plugs
3) Besides shortening the time of discharge, the wires do nothing
to bolster the energy side of the equation.
4) Interestingly enough, Nology now sells a coil to complement
their wires.
5) In car stereo circles, capacitors are used to stabilize power fluctuations
when amplifiers are driven hard. These capacitors in no way make
the amplifier generate more output wattage (power). How do Nology
capacitors differ?
First off, platinum is an inferior conductor compared to copper. Platinum does however hold up against corrosion and in terms of life far better than copper. Usually it comes down to, do you want to replace copper plugs more often or platinum plugs once in a while? From: mailto:tongnp@cig.mot.com "In searching for 60k tuneup parts for my 93 Prelude VTEC, I spoke with the NGK-California technical rep. My stock plugs are the NGK-platinums which can cost as much as $19.74/ea from a Honda dealer to $12/ea at NOPI. After speaking with Craig at NGK-CA, he had indicated that I am only getting longer life out of the NGK-plat. He highly advised me to purchase the regular NGK-resister plugs because the copper tip is a better thermal conductor and would perform better under hard acceleration. The life of the NGK-resistor plug is around 15K-20K miles. The normal NGK-resistor plugs are for $2.99 at Car Quest. I'm going to get the NGK-resistor plugs and keep a log of the gas mileage for every fill up to see if there's any difference. If there's no performance difference and decrease in gas mileage, I'd stick with the less expensive resistor plugs. Otherwise, I'll have to go back to the ultra-expensive platinums." From: mailto:acblack@outwest.net "It's the right decision to use the regular NGK plugs. I think Honda is only switching over to platinum becuase they want to make their cars look like they need less routing maintenance.... (AKA 100k miles between tuneups! CRAP!)"
Persistent crunching during shifts may be an indication of bad synchros in the transmisson. Sometimes a rough tranny needs a simple transmission fluid change. Many racers have had success with using Redline MTL transmission fluid in their Honda gearboxes. Redline also has a new ShockProof transmission fluid now. Also, be sure you're always rev (RPM) matching when shifting. This is especially so during downshifting. The 2nd --> 1st gear shift tends to be stiff at times. A careful blip of the gas pedal in neutral to bring the tach to about 5k RPM may be required to get the shifter to slip into 1st gear. For those with hydraulic clutches, make sure your master cylinder's seals are good. Otherwise your clutch may not be full engaging/disengaging when pressing on the clutch pedal.
This phenomenon results from a clutch that repeatedly grabs hold of the flywheel and then loses it's grip. You will notice clutch chatter the most in 1st gear accelerating from a complete stop. The whole car will shudder as the clutch slips and then grabs... then repeats. Eventually the clutch should catch, and off you go. Typically performance/racing clutches have some to severe clutch chatter. To some extent you can avoid the chatter by riding on (aka slipping) the clutch.
Again, another heated issue. Some recommend Centerforce, others warn that for
some FWD transmissions they use rebuilt aftermarket clutches and neglect to
use the weights.
Current clutch players are :
Bullfrog, JG Engine Dynamics, Centerforce, Clutchmasters,
RPS Turbo Clutch, and Dynamic AutoSports/Action Double D.
The idea behind this is to reduce the amount of weight your engine uses power to move. One heavy item to shave weight off is the flywheel. For street, it's recommended to shave off about 5 lbs. For racing, you may consider removing even more. The negative effect of lightening your flywheel is the loss of rotational mass inertia when accelerating from a stop. Without careful clutch and throttle work you may stall the engine more often. Be sure to rebalance your flywheel after lightening. From: mailto:fmlin@ccnet3.ccnet.com "My friend had his B17A flywheel (18 lbs) machined down to 12 lbs. The materials were taken off the back of the wheel, and mostly just the rough castings removed." From: lowell@smartt.com "What you have to consider is the rotational inertia [when lightening], as that's what's important here. My stock flywheel weighed in around 18lbs, and I removed about 5.5-6lbs. The thing to look at though, is where did the weight come off? Notice that there is an outer 'ring' on the back of the flywheel and that's where a good chunk of material comes off. I machined the back side flat, and just skimmed off all the rough casting surface on the rest of the back so I don't think I compromised the strength in any way. For the extra 2-3 lbs you'd save, I don't think a billet flywheel is worth the insane price. Just take it to a machine shop you trust, and have them cut the back of the flywheel. Please don't drill any holes in it though. If you're really worried, an SFI scattersheild would be the answer."
Conventional transmissions have an open differential. This allows both wheels to spin independently. Under certain conditions, having them spin independently isn't ideal (launching). At the same time, having them both spinning at the same rate isn't a good solution either (a welded differential doesn't take turns gracefully). Enter the limited slip differential. This mechanical device replaces your open differential and allows your wheels to spin independently. Once a certain threshold of wheel slippage happens, the LSD causes power to be transferred to the wheel with more traction. This allows engine power to be put down during huge torque launches or powering through a turn. From : mailto:fmlin@ccnet3.ccnet.com "A torque sensing (TorSen) and torque biasing (Quaife) LSD, which [both] operate on the same principle NEVER lock. When one wheel starts to slide, torque is progressively transfered to the wheel with more traction. Under most circumstances there [is] no wheel slippage. Under certain conditions wheel slip will occur slightly." "There are three popular types of LSD available for Honda's : - Torque sensing/biasing; worm gear type - Honda Type-R, Quaife, TorSen... These units use complex (some say surprisingly simple) gears to automatically adjust the torque split. It will give more torque to the wheel with more grip. It works as we computer dudes called "automagically". Reputed to be excellent for street use. Will not work with one wheel in the air. [Ed. note : see warning about LSD care] - Clutch packs - Mugen, Cusco, CRE... The most popular LSD used for road racing/autox applications. Clutch pack type uses multiple friction discs to limit the slip. They do wear out but they are rebuildable. Locking percentage depends on the builder. Will work with one wheel in air. Response time is quick. One way LSD - locks under acceleration only. Two way LSD - will lock under acceleration and deceleration. 1.5 way (Cusco) - ?! I saw an article in Japanese but I dunno how to read it. :-) - Viscous coupling. Honda Real-Time 4WD. Used as the center differential in the Honda Wagon. Also used by other cars such as Porsche 959 (center diff), Nissan SR20DE (NX2000, SE-R, Infiniti G20), Diamond Star Motors Eclipse/Talon/Laser AWD (center diff). Uses special fluids that thickens quickly when one axle starts to spin. Response is slightly retarded but works great as the center diff. As a FWD diff it works okay, better than a open diff any day! Dave from Nevada sez : "about parking a straght axel honda: did anyone see some of the cars at the Battle trying to turn around ? yeah, i watched one car do a 12 point turn, just to turn 90 degrees..."
From : mailto:fmlin@ccnet3.ccnet.com "Unlike clutch type LSD's, Quaife/Torsen units do not wear out.
Torque split is continously variable. About the only drawback
on Quaife/Torsen units is the higher cost when compared to
clutch pack and/or viscous LSD's. Quaife/Torsen's work very well
for FWD applicaitons, because the torque transfer is very smooth,
unlike clutch packs which tend to be very abrupt and tends to
cause undesirable steering effects... but it still comes down
to driver preference and track testing results. Most BTCC cars
use clutch packs, as serious FWD race cars often lift the inside
front tire on corners... Quaife/Torsen's do not work when a
wheel becomes unloaded in air.
As far as which one to get, that depends on how much Honda will
sell the Type-R Torsen's for. Quaife's are about $1200. If
the Honda units are cheaper, then I'd go for that.
LSD, Clutch/Flywheel, Gearbox are all interchangable between B18C/B16A."
Yes you do! Otherwise you may actually damage the LSD.
Straight from Honda, here are things you shouldn't do on a LSD equipped Honda :
1) Never mix wheel/tire combinations from side to side (DO NOT USE A SPARE TIRE
if you get a flat in front, use one from the back!)
2) Do not run the engine to on-car wheel balance your wheels&tires.
Your balancer must be self-driven and both wheels must be completely
of the ground. You may damage the LSD if you don't follow these directions!
From: mailto:fmlin@ccnet3.ccnet.com "There are few companies selling the 3.5kg/7.7lbs flywheel made by Toda Power. However, few companies also have their own. HKS has their 11 lbs units, Trust has their own, Mugen has their own, Feel's offers a aluminum unit and a steel (still lighter than stock) units. Spoon's flywheel are in house too. Most of these flywheels have a steel friction face that can be replaced if it's worn out. The flywheels that are available here right now are HKS, Spoon, and Clutch Masters (only 3.2kg/7.04lbs). All flywheels for B16A, B17A, B18A/B/C should be interchagable. I'll add some more pix later (http://www.ccnet.com/~fmlin/pbh)."
Speedometers are notoriously inaccurate at high speeds due to tire deformation and speedo calibration etc. So no they're not very accurate. And please don't endanger people on public roads shooting for a top speed test of your vehicle. Someone writes : "My speedo was showing an honest 148 once on my gs-r suh-dan. That may actually be possible with a downhill grade and a tailwind - but even so, it's not likely accurate. And my Prelude is showing right at 100mph or so when I hit the traps but the slips always say 91-92ish. So far the most I've seen on the Prelude speedo is 130ish, though."
There's a couple kinds of brake fade. Brake fade is the inability of the car's braking system to function properly due to overuse of the brakes. Heat is the main culprit. There are many things to upgrade to prolong maximum brake performance.
Again, another heated issue (is this getting to be a cliche yet?) You need to determine whether or not you car needs race brake pads or street enthusiast ones. Racing brake pads tend to leave a very stubborn dust on wheels and the body paint. This requires constant cleaning lest it bonds permanently. Some race pads are extremely noisy and may even destroy rotors in a few days/weeks/months (depending on how you drive!) Many people have had good success with Repco/Axxis MetalMaster pads. Other brands to look into are Hawk, Performance Friction, and Porterfields.
Theoretically, the extreme heat build up between the brake pad and the rotor causes gases to be released from the brake pad. The pad is then riding on this thin layer of gas and is not able to fully contact the rotor. You push harder on the brakes but even more gases are released and so the braking effectiveness is decreased. This is known as pad fade. A cross drilled or slotted rotor provides a channel for the gases to evacuate. Be careful using drilled rotors since they may cause uneven brake pade wear and sometimes are prone to cracking (the drilling causes weakness in the rotor) It should be mentioned by drilling the rotors, you will actually create less surface area to dissipate heat. Your mileage may vary with cross drilled rotors. Other shops slot their rotors. This involves creating a groove (slot) into the rotor. The idea behind this modification is to allow an edge on the rotor for the brake pad to bite into. By slotting the rotors, you can ensure even brake pad wear as well. Theoretically the slotting of rotors would increase surface area, so you might be able to expect a cooler rotor. IMHO, I upgrading your rotors may not be a worthwhile effort. I would only do so if you have a severe brake fade problem. Most street enthusiast driving does not punish the brakes hard enough.
When brake fluid gets hot enough it boils. Like many other aspects of automotive performance, high temperature brake fluid has its compromise. In order to make a brake fluid withstand high temperatures, it tends to absorb water very quickly. Thus all brake fluids are rated at two temperatures, wet (absorbed water) and dry (no water). WARNING! High performance brake fluids tend to absorb water quickly, and some need to be bled before each race. Bleeding your brake fluid is important to your master cylinder life. On aged hondas, its common for the Master Cylinder to go bad gradually. If you notice that the brakes are mushy and start to fade in traffic or on hot days, especially if it you've just bled the brakes, then you've got a bad Master Cylinder. Your local big parts store should have rebuilt master cylinders with a life time warranty for not too much money. Fix it fast or you may regret it. We don't want to have to tell your next-of-kin that we told you so. Again a lot of people have their favorites of fluid to purchase. Motul, Castrol Heavy Duty, Wilwood 570, Lucas Girling DOT 5.1, and Super ATE.
In a word no. Aftermarket lines improve the feel of the brakes; offering a firmer, more positive feeling of control to the driver. A low buck tuner way to make the brake lines firmer feeling is to use zip ties around the softer OEM brake lines.
From mailto:fmlin@ccnet3.ccnet.com "When Z.Speed looked into getting DOT approval for their stainless lines, they found that there is no certification process. There is a spec for brake lines however. Z.Speed's lines meets or exceeds the DOT standard. When SMC first started selling lines (early 96), they were selling Goodridge lines (which claimes to be the 1st DOT approved lines). I'm not sure if SMC sell their own lines now. Stillen also recently started to market Goodridge lines."
Diameter : This refers to the diameter of the wheel. Most people regard a large wheel as attractive. Remember larger wheels tend to weigh more. Offset : This refers to the distance in mm between the centerline and the mounting surface of the wheel. If you're unsure of what this means check out http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/wheeltech.htm for a diagram better illustrating this. Width : This refers to how wide the wheel is. This determines what tire widths the wheel can accomodate. The general width rule is that the wheel width should be no less than 70% of the tire width.
When choosing wheels and tires, it's a good idea to ensure that the overall diameter of the new combination is +/- 2% of the OEM configuration. Your speedometer will be changed as well as your effective gear ratio. You may want to rethink your car's shift points. Once you've determined what wheel diameter you're interested in, and what tires size will make a good combination ... it's time to measure your inner clearance. I'd recommend turning your car's front wheels completely to the left and right and checking clearance. Also jack up one corner of the car at a time to compress the opposite corner of the car. Doing this you can get an idea of what kind of clearance your car has under hard cornering or loaded down. If you're looking for a way to calculate wheel/tire combinations, check out : http://mr2.com/cgi-bin/tires.cgi
For handling, the widest width for the tire and lightness are desirable. The
wider wheel ensures a stabler tire contact patch and minimizes tire sidewall
flex. You're sure to get as much of your tire rubber down on the pavement
where it needs to be. Having light wheels reduces the amount of unsprung
weight. Unsprung weight is an area we'll neglect to mention, but suffice it
so say less is good. For more wheel information, again consult :
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/wheeltech.htm
For acceleration, you want lightness and perhaps a shorter wheel/tire
combination than the stock setup. With lighter wheels, the engine uses less
power accelerating the wheels' mass. With a shorter tire/wheel combination,
you can effectively change your gear ratio for the better. Don't go too short,
otherwise you'll have to shift every 20 feet. ;D
From: mailto:KinL@adepttech.com "I had the opportunity to weigh a couple of 16" wheels when I had my new
wheels & tires installed this past week. I decided to do this after an
inspiring discussion with Jerome on "weigh reduction" at our last
"rained out" drag meet.
I weighed 4 different wheels that were available to me -- all were 16".
The results were:
TSW Blade 16 lbs each $280Cdn
TSW Hock R 18 lbs each $290Cdn
Inter Milano 13 lbs each $300Cdn
ASA FS-6 16 lbs each $160Cdn
For further comparison, I weighed my stock tires & wheels to compare
them to the new 16" wheels. FYI, I have a 1990 Integra GS 4-door, so
the factory wheels were the full face style that had about 21
unidirectional slits around the edge. The results were:
33 lbs each Factory 14" mag + Yoko AVS U+4 in 195/60-14
36 lbs each ASA 16" mag + Toyo FZ4 in 205/45-16
My conclusions from this:
- Expensive mags are not necessary the lightest.
- The more open the mag's style, the more likely that it's lighter.
- Larger size tires weigh more. Especially performance tires that has
a firmer construction (in plys and belts)."
[Ed : Generally bigger wheels will weigh more than smaller wheels.
Think about it. Also, I'd expect a tire and air to weigh less
than solid metal itself. Don't you think? Remember don't go
with too heavy wheels! Some Japanese wheels are made
to be light SSR Type X wheels for example. 11lbs each I think.]
From: mailto:ctprentiss@ucdavis.edu "The 5 Zigen Div.3s are pretty light at 12pds for the 16". "
From: mailto:rizzye@sfsu.edu "SSR TYPE X 10.5lbs
MUGEN SUPER WEAPON RNR 4.95kgs
SPOON SPORTS SW388 3.88kgs"
OEM wheels are hubcentric. They are produced in such a way that they fit snugly on the hub (wheel mount location). The hub has a ridge on it that mates to the backside of the wheel. This is done to ensure proper centering of the wheel on the hub. Aftermarket wheels are usually overbored on the backside for different car applications. Special adapter rings are manufactured for individual cars to ensure their wheel is hub-centered when mounted. If not properly centered, you can have a steering wheel shimmy.
People look at tires primarily in these ways : cost, life, noise, wet performance, and dry performance. Manufacturers take all of these factors and more into account when making tires. Currently there is no miracle tire that will do everything you want the best. So choose your tire carefully within your budget.
It's not so much the low profile tires, it's more of the volume of air you have now. If you've chosen a wise tire/wheel combination and haven't reduced your volume of air much, expect your ride quality to be the same.
For cornering, you usually want enough air pressure in the tire to avoid tire rollover. Tire rollover is indicated by the scuff marks you see on the sidewall after some spirited driving. Here's an easy test to figure out how much rollover there is : Put some chalk across the outer edge of your tire until 1 - 2 inches onto the sidewall. You can use shoe polish too. Go out and take a turn hard. Wherever the tire met the pavement is where your marks will be missing. So you can determine how much rollover you're experiencing! Start with recommended tire pressures from the factory and add or reduce air psi until you like the ride quality and cornering attitude. Remember FWD Hondas usually understeer by design. You usually want more tire rollover in back in order to make the rear end turn better.
It all depends on how you define "good" Usually the best gripping tires wear out in less than 30k miles, some even as little as 10k miles (any NSX owners out there?) If you choose a reputable company's top notch Z rated tire, you won't be disappointed although you will notice a hefty price tag on them. Budget accordingly. Some good high performance tires are Dunlop Sp Sport 8000, Yokohama AVS-i, Bridgetsone S0-1, etc etc
Engineers design the suspension of a car to perform certain alignment changes when under compression (weight transfer, bodyroll, cornering, etc) Usually a typical Honda suspension experiences toe in as well as negative camber under cornering. This is done to ensure the car maintains as much tire footprint as possible under cornering. So when you lower the car, the suspension becomes partially compressed causing your suspension to think you're cornering 24 hours/day. While this is great for cornering, this is bad for tire life for long distance driving. When driven in a straight line, the tires ride on the inner most edge causing extremely short tire life. IMHO, it's the combination of toe in and negative camber that causes rapid tire wear (see NSX owners' tire woes) To correct the camber, you usually need to purchase some kind of camber kits. See camber kits.
Stiffer isn't better. Be VERY careful when modifying your suspension. Make sure you understand what you're trying to fix by switching out parts and changing alignment settings. Make sure your familiar with the principles of weight transfer as well as understeer and oversteer. Keep in mind your vehicle's weight distribution and drivetrain layout.
This is a very personal question you should ask yourself. :D There are hundreds of hopped up Hondas with ground clearance of no more than a few inches. Some say this is attractive looking and good for cornering. Although a lower center of gravity is desirable, the struts on these cars are usually riding on the bumpstops. This results in suspension bottoming very frequently (not a very comfortable experience) With the limited range of travel, you may actually hinder the suspensions ability to put down the maximum tire contact patch on uneven roads (which road is ever perfectly clean and flat eh?) Be careful not to go too low, especially when travelling over various environments (snow, mud, flood, grass, dirt, and even big potholes) I've had a friend who put a huge dent and gouges into his oil pan from a large pothole when he dragged (at this point I wouldn't call it driving) his lowered car over it. Finally the last concern is tire wear. Lowering a Honda results in a some negative camber (an alignment change). The negative camber makes the top of your tires tilt inwards. When driving in a turn, the tires sit up straight which is great for cornering. However in a straight line, they ride along the inner edge of the tire, resulting in heavy uneven tire wear. Conservative lowerings are usually 1-1.5" A heavy street enthusiast lowering is 1.75"-2.25" inches. A race car lowering is 2.25" or more. Keep in mind, race cars get hurt frequently and racers don't mind hurting them. Would you mind hurting your street car frequently?
A linear rate spring has the same stiffness throughout its compression. A progressive one is wound in such a way that as it gets compressed more, the spring rate (stiffening) goes up. This is a good compromise for the cornering demons out there who want a really stiff spring but need a more compliant suspension during regular street driving.
IMHO, any lowering spring will wear out OEM struts faster. But a conservative lowering (~1 inch) should be okay for the OEM struts. Stiffer springs and the extra shock compression from lowering tends to put a big strain on the struts. So be sure to save yourself headaches and do the struts at the same time.
Here's a non scientific explanation : Every manufacturer engineers a car with something in mind. Mind you, don't taking the word engineer lightly. We're talking about hundreds of hours of design and planning. So when you cut the springs, doesn't it strike you as just a bit odd of what you're doing to your car? Sure you can still drive the car and maybe in your ignorance not notice anything different. It's kind of like running around without an air filter. Sure the car runs still. And you don't notice anything wrong. But you're really doing more harm than good in the long haul. Since I didn't major in Physics and my last Physics course was 3 years ago, I'll dance around the spring equation. Every spring conforms to this equation. And by hacking off the the # of coils you adjust this equation accordingly. Let's just say it's in a very bad way. And your OEM shock's won't like you for it. Still if these aren't good enough reasons to dissuade you from cutting your springs, how about peer pressure? Everyone with lowering springs will make fun of you as drive around on cut springs bouncing along your local bumpy road. :D Don't do it.
Can you afford it? :D A good alignment is recommended for tire life, not necessarily for cornering. You may need camber kits, and your toe should be adjusted too. If you've done a very mild drop, I think you can forgoe the alignment until necessary.
Compression refers to how a shock compresses under load (spring compressing the shock). Rebound refers to how fast the shock returns to its original position (spring allowed to return to its original shape). It would make sense to fine tune both of these to improve handling.
Some non adjustable shocks tend to be unbearingly stiff. Choose your shock wisely. Adjustable shocks are definitely worth the extra money because of the flexibility with suspension tuning and daily comfort. It's been reported that Tokico Blue shocks are equivalent to a setting 4 on Tokico's Illuminas.
Bumpstops are cheap but effective way of halting suspension travel. Bumpstops sit on the strut/shock shaft and prohibit the spring from fully compressing the strut/shock. Thereby limiting the amount of suspension travel. When you lower your car, you decrease the distance of suspension travel (because your car's suspension is partially compressed) What some spring manufacturer's recommend is to cut the bumpstop to lengthen your travel. This can have some possible negative effects (like arranging a blind date between your upper A-arm and your engine bay) Follow the spring manufacturer's tech advice. Most recommend trimming the bumpstop. This helps provide more suspension travel especially for lowered cars. FWIW, all lowering springs should increase the spring rate in the correct proportion to the amount of lowering. What this means is, the spring should be stiffer to make up for the lessened suspension travel distance. You shouldn't need to cut your bumpstops if your spring has been engineered right in the first place! What this also means is this, do not expect a OEM ride with stiffer springs! You wanna go low, pay for it with ride quality. I won't come right out and bash any particular spring companies, as most of them do make high quality springs. But some of these "performance" springs are really springs just to lower your car; and trimming the bumpstop keeps you from bottoming the suspension out which in turn gives an illusion of a halfway decent ride quality. And if you're bottoming out, well the companies figure half of these young Honda owners don't even know what it is anyhow.
WARNING! Do not purchase Tokico Illuminas with aggressive lowering springs for 3rd generation Integras. Konis are a good match with Neuspeed springs. The Integra Web Page Editors are still investigating this issue, more information to come.
When weight comes down on corner of the car, the sway bar actually twists in such a way that it forces the opposite side's tire down and bringing the acted upon corner up. This also prohibits weight transfer to the end of the car with the sway bar. So with a sway bar you can further reduce body roll, keeping the chassis flat. By reducing bodyroll, ideally the tires are allowed a better contact patch. Typically the removal of the weight on the sway bar end of the car removes traction moreso than the gain in traction by the elimination of bodyroll provided. In other words, the end that has the sway bar will have less traction. If you wish to only eliminate bodyroll, be sure to select a matched sway bar set if you don't wish to upset your car's weight transfer characteristics too much during cornering.
An easy trick to get a FWD car to turn better is to disconnect the front sway bar. Problem is you will suffer from more bodyroll in front. Typically this is done in stock classes of autocrossing as the rules disallow rear sway bar changes.
It would seem the best thing to do to make a Honda FWD car corner better is to simply upgrade the rear sway bar. Unfortunately no one sells just a rear sway bar tuned for an OEM front bar setup. Most of the companies will sell their rear sway bar individually, but use caution. These rear bars come in a matched set. So expect the rear sway bar to overpower a stock front sway bar. The car will get particularly tail happy when lifting while turned or braking while turned. So make sure you know how to handle oversteer. I've been informed that Neuspeed does offer a rear bar tuned for the front sway bar on 1992-1995 Civics and 1994-1997 Integras (although they do upgrade the bushings up front too)
camber problem. How do they work and who makes them?
Most recent generation Honda/Acura cars have Honda's double wishbone (unequal length control arms) configuration on the front suspension. This uses a shock and spring configuration in which the camber line is NOT determined by the angle of the shaft of the shock. Strut type suspensions require camber plates in which the angle of the shaft of the strut can be adjusted to dial in the needed camber. On the recent generations, the high upper A-arm is responsible for determining the camber of your front suspension. A camber kit for the front suspension consists of an entire replacement upper A-arm with adjustable links in the arm. The adjustable length arms can be extended or shortened. If you pull off your front tires and look at the upper A-arm, you can see that shortening the arms will give you more negative camber and lengthening the arms will give you more positive camber. In the rear, the recent suspensions have been of a rear trailing arm with two lateral links. Again, pull off your rear tire and notice that the larger lateral link is what determines the camber of the rear suspension. The camber kit for this involves replacing this larger lateral link with one that is adjustable in length. Extending the link gives you more positive camber while shortening the length gives you more negative camber. Currently ZSpeed and Specialty Products(Jackson Racing, Lightspeed, perhaps Eibach distribute the latter) make camber kits for Hondas. I've had problems with the SP front camber kits and would not recommend them although they are much cheaper than ZSpeed's rebuilt front a-arms. It should be noted that in my experience any reputable alignment shop should be able to order Specialty Product camber kits. So you don't have to buy through the expen$ive middleman speed shop. Shop around to save money. A low buck tuner method of correcting rear tire camber is to use some washers in back to lengthen the lateral link. By having more positive camber in back than front, you also reduce the amount of understeer.
The OEM bushing material is generally rubber. Bushings go in between suspension joints to allow the suspension to move freely without having metal on metal contact at the joints. Performance bushings generally are made of a harder and longer lasting poly-urethane. The harder bushings allow the suspension to react much quicker under load and transfer its movements to other suspension components quicker. Since the poly bushings deform less than rubber ones, the suspension is much more nimble feeling and precise. The obvious compromise here is that the ride quality will suffer.
Every driver has their own preference for how a car handles. So you should understand what handling characteristics you want. Do you want oversteer, understeer, neutral? And remember these usually change for different vehicle speeds. Typically on FWD Hondas, you want more front end bite with a lot less rear end bite. So you want more toe-in, and negative camber in front. In back more toe-out and positive camber. Remember these settings DO affect tire life considerably. Consult your local performance minded alignment shop for recommendations.
Depending on driver, running condition, and environment here are some ranges of times to expect. Now don't write in complaining about these posted times or bragging about how fast your car is with minimal modifications. If you feel like you must prove something, I require two timeslips from two different tracks with a list of complete setups (including fluids types) and the elevation and temperature and time of day. Typical Bolt On Mods (tbody, ignition, headers, exhaust, intake, chip) Accord 16.0s-->17.5s Civic 15.8s-->17.5s CRX 15.3s-->16.5s delSol 15.1s-->16.0s Integra 14.8s-->16.2s Legend ?? NSX 14.0s-->14.5s Prelude 14.5s-->16.5s TL, RL, CL ?? Vigor ?? If someone can send in the results of the fastest Accords, Civics, CRXs, etc etc I'd appreciate it. Of course the categories should include : NA, NOS, Turbo, NOS&Turbo, and there will be more categories for Civics (Civics w/ 1.6DOHC, 1.6 DOHC VTEC, 1.8 DOHC, 1.8 DOHC, 1.8 DOHC VTEC and then use NOS and Turbo combinations on top of those!) Pull from the Honda Performance list, the following URL (not really complete listing, but good enough for now) : http://users.ccnet.com/~fmlin/pbh/fastest/index.html Thanks Frank!
When you get your time slip, you should look at three numbers. Your reaction time, your E.T., and your trap speed. The reaction time DOES NOT factor into your 1/4 mile time. Do not subtract your reaction time from your E.T. Maybe this is why everyone claims they're doing fast fast fast 1/4 miles w/o much modifications! ;D The E.T. is your official 1/4 mile time pass (elapsed time, I think) Trap speed indicates what kind of horsepower you're pushing (or if you were sandbagging) (I put this in here for you Ken!)